Aliens, Angels, or Adopted? Who Are the Sons of God?

October 30, 1938. It was Halloween night, and much of America had tuned their radios to the Columbia Broadcasting System, which had just finished reporting on the weather and began playing music. Within moments, the broadcast was interrupted by a news flash about strange explosions on Mars. The announcer reassured the audience that as more information became available, more announcements would be made. Then the music continued.

As the night progressed, the music was interrupted frequently, now with terrifying reports of an invasion. Aliens from Mars had landed in New Jersey and in cities around the world. The Earth was under attack. Panic filled the streets as many people fled their homes.

But it was all fiction.

A young Orson Wells had adapted the H.G. Wells’ book War of the Worlds for broadcast and modified the script to present the story as though it was happening in real time. Many listeners took the fictional radio play to be real.

Those who panicked were operating with incomplete information. They had failed to hear the station announce at the beginning and the end of the broadcast that it was all mere drama. Coming in at the middle, hearing only part of the story, they had no context and ran off thinking the sky was falling.

Similarly, a passage in Genesis when read out of context has caused many to believe that Earth has been invaded by aliens from outer space. Let’s take a look at that challenging verse:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose (Genesis 6:1, 2).

Some believe that the term “sons of God” refers to extraterrestrial invaders. They believe that these beings are fallen angels or aliens from space who took human females as wives and produced offspring. They rationalize this belief by saying that the progeny produced by these unions were “giants” (v. 4). They believe these unholy unions were ultimately responsible for the increased wickedness of man.

On the surface, this seems to be a reasonable explanation of Scripture. But as we shall see, without understanding the context that surrounds this passage, you can actually be confused into believing that certain fictions are real. Fortunately, we can clear up any confusion on the sons of God quite easily by gathering more information from the Bible.

Angels Are Spirits
The King James Bible uses the term “sons of God” 11 times in two primary ways. However, it never uses the term to refer to an angelic being.

“He who makes his angels spirits …” (Psalms 104:4). Angels are spirits; they are not flesh. They are all around us now, but we cannot see them. They generally remain in their spiritual form and have no physical integration in our world—they don’t go to school, get jobs, or raise families. They are here to “minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation” (Hebrews 1:14).

Even if they wanted to marry and have babies, they couldn’t; they don’t have human DNA. It would be easier for a jellyfish to marry a mountain goat than for angels to marry people. Thus, it doesn’t make practical sense to believe that our passage in Genesis refers to the marriage of angels, fallen or holy, to humans.

Angels are not born; they are created. If God wanted more angels, He wouldn’t need to marry them off to humans or other angels to reproduce. He could create them from scratch. Speaking of Lucifer, God said, “The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created (Ezekiel 28:13 NKJV, emphasis added).

Moreover, Jesus tells us plainly that angels do not marry. Marriage is a uniquely human institution, reserved for mankind. “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven” (Matthew 22:30). Mark and Luke suggest the same thing: “Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God” (Luke 20:36; some translations render it “sons of God”). Notice here that Jesus makes a distinction between angels and sons of God. They are classified separately, which means they are not the same thing.

So if the sons of God are not angels, what are they?

Cosmic Life?
While the sons of God were not space invaders, the Bible does appear to teach that there is other life in the cosmos. It is clear in Scripture that Jesus made other planets: God “has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds” (Hebrews 1:2 NKJV).

In the parable of the lost sheep, the Earth represents the one lost sheep, a wandering world that went astray, the one Christ came to save. It’s easy to imagine that God, in His infinite existence, created other worlds with other physical beings. Of course, we know He had seraphim and cherubim and other angels prior to our world, so at a minimum we know there are at least those extraterrestrial creatures. “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth” (Colossians 1:16 NKJV). “And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth … I heard saying: ‘Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!’ ” (Revelation 5:13 NKJV).

However, most of these other created beings do not visit this world. The Earth is infected with a deadly contagious disease called sin, and we are likely quarantined. The only ones allowed to go into a quarantined hospital ward are the hospital staff; in this case, God’s angels. They are ministering spirits.

Princes of Planets
Thousands of years ago, an intriguing meeting took place in heaven. “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them” (Job 1:6).

In attendance at this meeting are sons of God, as well as Satan himself. Satan says that he has come from the Earth. The sons of God were there representing their un-fallen worlds in God’s universe. Satan was there to represent the Earth.

Why would Satan be representing our world? Originally, Adam had dominion over the Earth. He was created by God to subdue and manage it. God said to Adam and Eve, “Have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth on the earth” (Genesis 1:28).

While Adam was in obedience to God, he enjoyed dominion over the world. But once Adam sinned and obeyed Satan, that dominion was forfeited to the enemy. “To whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16 NKJV).

Even Jesus referred to Satan as “the prince of this world” (John 12:31).

In the Gospel of Luke, the genealogy of Jesus is traced all the way back to Adam. Notice what Luke says about this lineage: “the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God” (Luke 3:38, emphasis added).

The difference between Seth and Adam is the bellybutton. Adam was created by the hand of God; Seth was born of Eve. Adam was the son of God, created to have dominion over the Earth. Thus one definition for sons of God is those beings God Himself created to have dominion over the worlds He made. These beings were not born but were created directly by God.

Job 38:7 tells us that when our world was created, “the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy.” The “morning stars” are angels, whereas “the sons of God” are the leaders of other worlds. (See Revelation 1:20.)

With that cleared up, let’s talk about the second way the term “sons of God” is used.

Heirs of Righteousness
The other meaning of sons of God refers to human beings who have been recreated by God’s Spirit. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God” (Romans 8:14). Matthew 5:9 adds, “Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God” (NKJV).

Here Jesus is obviously referring to human beings, but not just any human beings; these are peacemakers, the righteous children of God. In no way should this be construed to refer to angels or aliens.

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name” (John 1:12). Notice that there were those who were not sons of God, but that through receiving Him became sons of God.

It should be mentioned that “sons of God” doesn’t mean just males. Many Bible translations render the phrase “children of God.” Galatians 3:26 says, “For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” It is by faith that a man or woman becomes a “child of God.” (See also Isaiah 56:5; Philippians 2:15.)

The inescapable conclusion from these verses and others is that the sons of God in Genesis 6 refers to the righteous children of God.

Daughters of Men
The term “daughters of men,” therefore, refers to the unrighteous children of men, those human beings who do not call on the name of the Lord. In the context of our Bible passage, “daughters of men” refers to the offspring of Cain and his wife.

Originally, Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain murdered Abel, so God gave Adam and Eve another son, Seth. He began to have children of his own, and they “began to call on the name of the Lord” (Genesis 4:25, 26). And from what we’ve seen in the Bible, those who call on the name of the Lord are called the sons of God.

Now Cain had been banished from God’s presence. He settled “in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch” (Genesis 4:16–18).

Here, before the Flood, we have the descendants of Cain living in cities and the descendants of Seth living in the country. As long as they remained separate, the sons of God remained pure in their religious beliefs and practices.

However, eventually they began to intermingle. Maybe the sons of God needed supplies that could be easily obtained in the cities where the daughters of men resided. The sons of God and daughters of men became familiar with each other, even friendly. Whatever the case, soon the descendants of Seth, or sons of God, began to marry the daughters of men, or the descendants of Cain.

Mixed Marriages
It’s even quite possible the sons of God went into this situation with good intentions. Maybe they believed they could convert these daughters of Cain, introducing them to the Lord their God. However, the counsel of God is clear:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God (2 Corinthians 6:14–18).

God does not want His children marrying the unconverted or the unbelieving, even if they have a pretty face, the nicest disposition, or a passionate belief in another religion. It makes no difference; God says that relationship will have problems.

So the result of these intermarriages was not only giants, but sorrow. Instead of the sons of God influencing the daughters of men, the daughters of men influenced the sons of God.

Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly (Deuteronomy 7:3, 4; emphasis added).

The Bible is filled with stories about the sons of God mingling with the daughters of men and the disasters that follow as a result. Samson, chosen by God, was derailed by the Philistine women. His parents pled with him to avoid marrying a pagan bride, but he insisted on having what he wanted (Judges 14:3).

Solomon no doubt believed that he could marry the daughters from pagan nations and convert them. However, those pagan daughters drew away Solomon’s heart. This is why God is so adamant about His children not marrying unbelievers. It is almost always the case that the believer is gradually transformed by the unbeliever, not the other way around.

Jesus likewise has a warning for us in these end-times:

But as the days of [Noah] were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that [Noah] entered into the ark (Matthew 24:37, 38).

Jesus here is likely referring to the mixed marriages of Genesis 6 that brought on the universal wickedness leading to the Flood.

As in Noah’s day, before the Flood, things that led to the destruction of the world with a deluge by water are going to happen again. They are a preview of what’s going to happen before the destruction of the world by a flood of fire when Jesus returns. History is going to repeat itself, but we don’t have to be among the repeat offenders.

Adoption Choices
Not everyone who thinks they are a son or daughter of God really is. The Pharisees boasted to Jesus that they were the children of Abraham. Jesus corrected them. “If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham” (John 8:39). This is a simple principle to test our heritage. Which “father” do we follow in our actions? Jesus told the religious leaders, “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do” (John 8:44).

When we are born again and adopted into the family of God, we will want to imitate our heavenly Father. “He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked” (1 John 2:6 NKJV).

If you are not a son or daughter of God now, the wonderful news is that you can choose a new family.

By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward (Hebrews 11:24–26 NKJV).

When called by God, Moses traded in his Egyptian adoption for a heavenly one. Through Jesus, you can too.

When the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ (Galatians 4:4–7 NKJV).

Right now you can choose to be a child of the King, an heir of eternal life, and become a son or daughter of God in whom He is well pleased! Just ask Him.

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EventsGuam: Where America’s day begins with injustice
Posted on Nov 27, 2013 by dåko’ta alcantara-camacho

For Washington’s 9000-strong Chamorro community, getting hassled going into bars is just the tip of the warship.

I’m twenty-two this year and still very new to the bar scene. I’m not too big on drinking, but I think dancing is medicine: the call and response between the beat and my feet, the sweat, embodying the fearlessness it takes to move my body in public.

I like to dance, so I’ve become very accustomed to this conversation with the bouncers:

“ID please.”

“Håfa adai! Thank you, here you go.”

(Confused/Disgruntled Face)

“I’m sorry sir, I can’t accept your ID, do you have your passport?”

“I do have my passport, but as you can see sir, this ID says GUAM USA, Where America’s Day Begins.”

“I see that, but Washington State Law requires a valid state ID.”

Here is the point in the conversation where I whip out my smartphone, pull up the bookmarked Washington State Liquor Control Board page with the relevant laws and read out loud: Types of Acceptable ID, Driver’s License, Instruction Permit, or I.D. Card issued by any U.S. State, U.S. Territory and District of Columbia.

Most bouncers have been real ‘cool.’

“I’ll let you in tonight, but next time bring your passport.”

Because, even though I was born in America, my Guam ID makes me a little less American.

It’s pretty frustrating having to explain U.S. History every time I want to go out to dance. But that’s just one of the smallest injustices the Chamorro people face.

Resilience runs in the blood.

When the U.S. seized Guam in 1899, as a part of the U.S.-Spanish War, a navy governor was appointed to be the supreme lawmaker of the island.

The governor passed general orders banning our native language, prohibiting whistling, banning dancing after 10 pm, banning interracial marriages. Governor Adelbert Althouse even collected all of the Chamorro books and burned them.

At a time when Chamorros were not even considered citizens of the U.S. my grandfather, like many of his generation, served in the U.S. Military during World War II. Stationed at Pearl Harbor, he survived the kamikaze attacks. Hours before the infamous bombing, Guam was invaded by the Japanese en route to Hawaii. The American military, predicting the invasion, evacuated all of their personnel and dependents, leaving the Chamorro people to fend for themselves in a war fought between superpowers.
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In 1944, American Troops re-invaded Guam and carpet bombed the island. Luckily, the Japanese had interned the Chamorros in concentration camps, so they survived. After the successful, “liberation” of the Chamorros, the U.S. seized two-thirds of the island for military bases. Ironically, the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the bombs that ended World War II, were stored and flown out of Chamorro land.

In 1949, the Guam Assembly walked out of session, forcing the federal government to grant self-government and citizenship to the people of Guam. So unlike our grandparents, our generation has U.S. Citizenship — we just don’t get to vote for president.

Over 70 years after World War II, the federal government refuses to provide reparations to the only Americans who lived through enemy occupation. The United States continues to evade responsibility for establishing over 100 toxic dumpsites (nuclear and chemical weapons) on Guam, an island 8 miles wide and 31 miles long.

Today, Chamorros enlist and die in the military at the highest rates per capita, higher than any U.S. state.

As part of what the White House is calling the “Pacific Pivot,” Obama plans to move 60% of the military to the Pacific.

In 2009, the U.S. Military released a 10,000 page document, the Draft Environmental Impact Statement, detailing the upcoming “military build-up.” Part of the plan is to dredge of 70 acres of healthy coral reef to house a Nuclear Air Craft Carrier, build a Missile Defense program and 5-Range Firing Complex on an ancient burial ground, seizing the entire island of Pågan, and exposing residents to mortars, howitzers, artillery, high explosive munitions and anti-tank weapons.

Pågan Island, home to endangered bird and plant species, historical artifacts, and ancestral spirits is currently slated to be taken by the DOD for military weapons training. #OurIslandsAreSacred is working to protect the island. ()

After several generations of military occupation, subsequent migration and attempted assimilation, my family is still not free. After my Grandpa, my dad, his brothers and so many of my cousins have fought for the freedom of Americans, my family is still not free. Even though our bodies have been poisoned, our language has been outlawed, and our land has been stolen, I am alive. I am alive and all generations of my ancestors are alive in me.

Hu lå’la’la’ ya i pengnga-ta ya i fino’-ta ha lå’la’la’ gi guahu. I am living and our traditions, our language live inside of me.

With all of this trauma in my body, sometimes I just need to cleanse. On nights when I’m feeling like sweating the radiation out of my system, I’ve got to fight to get into the club.

Well, unless I bring proof of my legitimate citizenship.

I’m frustrated, but not surprised. I’m from Guam USA, where America’s day begins with injustice.

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Ton
Nov 27, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Since we’re on the subject of educating America about Chamorros, let it be known that the Chamorro land you spoke of having had atomic bombs flown from to end the war, is Tinian, in the U.S. Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, also home of Pagan Island.

Does the 9, 000 Chamorros you speak of also part of the Northern Marianas? If you think you have a hard time with your Guam ID, try presenting your Northern Marianas ID. You’ll get even more insulting reactions such as questions whether you are American or not.

Good article, but given that there are also thousands of Chamorros from the Northern Marianas in Washington, I just find it important to be clear when speaking of Chamorros and stating the fact that Chamorros come from both Guam and the Northern Marianas, namely Rota, Tinian and Saipan.

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Beling Q
Nov 29, 2013 at 7:49 pm
He did make a point. Chamoru with a Guam I.D., don’t matter what Island you’re from because We Are all Chamorus. You can be a Saipanese with a GU I.D. and still get Voided back there which is B.S. Maybe Guam should do the same, Void U.S.A. I.D.’s! “Sorry dude, you gotta get a GU I.D. to Enter!

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Frank
Dec 7, 2013 at 2:39 am
I think Ton just wanted the article to be more respectful and point out the fact that not all Chamorros come from one island. Many articles fail to make that distinction. And it is important to note that what island you’re from is important. While you can say that you are Chamorro, it is also important to identify from which island. I’m proud to be a Chamorro, but I also know that people are not ashamed to say whether they are Taotao Luta, Taotao Saipan, Taotao Tinian, or Taotao Guam.

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delfie guerrero
Feb 16, 2015 at 12:22 pm
We do have to get a Guam ID. Was there five years ago had to give up my Texas to get a Guam. So before you blast people know your facts.

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Joe P
Jul 2, 2015 at 9:50 am
Bullshit. I lived there for 2 years and came back at the end of 2011. I spent my entire time there with my California ID and never had to get a Guam ID. The only thing they require is a Guam drivers license if you live there over 30 days and want to drive (the same law that most states have but don’t care to enforce). Maybe you should know your facts first…

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Ric Tedtaotao
Aug 14, 2016 at 1:20 am
Are you now a resident of GUAM? I’m Taotao Guam, and proud of it. If you’re not planning on staying on the island (Tano y Chamorro) then go back to Texas, get that hole in your GUAM ID punched in and replace it with your Texas ID.

If you want to be Texan, you’ll have to go “Texas.”

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si dåko’ta
Dec 7, 2013 at 3:35 pm
håfa adai ton,

You are correct that the bombs I am referring to left from Tinian.
I am very aware that sentence could be misleading and actually thought about that particular sentence formation for a longtime before publishing.

In the end I decided introducing another island name would be confusing to people who know nothing about the Marianas and the multiple islands we descend from, and the ways we have been politically divided by imperial forces.

As for the 9,000 statistic… that came from the census of 2000 and is actually probably inaccurate at some level. The category was listed “Guamanian/Chamorro” and I dont know how many Chamorro people would fill in that bubble? Also, My guess is that the numbers are much higher almost 15 years later, and also I’ve heard the NMI has seen a large increase in outwards migration to WA.

As someone who supports our political, cultural and spiritual re-unification, It can be confusing to me at times how to address the reality that we are currently separated in many ways, while still dreaming towards chamorro unity.

If you have any feedback about how I can better represent the NMI through this medium, Id be very interested as I continue to write more articles in service of our people.

Si Yu’us Ma’ase

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hannah
Feb 16, 2015 at 1:34 am
Why are you so bitter? Aren’t you chamorro? Doesn’t matter what island. We are all one! Stop being Matapang! Embrace that this young man who is chamorro……… is giving us……you, me, her and him a voice! Instead of complaining about what island wasnt mentioned let’s make a difference like this young man. #takeaction

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Cloud
Feb 17, 2015 at 9:06 pm
Stfu ton

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Ric Tedtaotao
Aug 14, 2016 at 2:43 am
Stfu to you!!!

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Joe P
Jul 2, 2015 at 9:43 am
It’s not a contest, douche.

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Joe
Nov 27, 2013 at 6:09 pm
You are mad that you are not recognized as American, but you also are mad that the Americans abandoned you before WWII. You want to be recognized as an American citizen, but you want an apology from America for all that harm that they have done to your culture and island. You want to walk into a bar in Seattle as a proud American, but you also want to stop America from using Guam to strengthen itself. You want to take advantage of all the little pleasures of being an American, without supporting the ideology and global power of America. I think your frustration is going to increase until you do some soul searching. Make some sacrifices and pick one side. Are you American or not? That decision is not made by a bouncer at a bar. It is made by you.

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Andrea
Nov 27, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Make some sacrifices?! Why should one have to choose between being a Chamorro OR American? Would you tell a Hawaiian that they have to pick between being a Hawaiian OR American?

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Carmen A
Nov 28, 2013 at 12:11 am
The decision is not made by the bouncer it is made if the ignorance if the individual who wants other people to understand their culture and history but won’t take the time to learn other cultures and history or open their minds to understanding and learning. Our people fight for freedom but are not acknowledge. My brother was injured in the Iraq war and the soldier at the gate refused to let his own mother in to see her son because she had a Guam ID and he didn’t understand why there was no expiration date after almost 1 hr of trying the make him understand another soldier came in to relief him and ask him what the problem was he told him it’s a Guam ID and there’s no expiration date the relieving soldier said to let them in cause that’s how there ID is and u shouldn’t have given them a hard time in the first place

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Nea
Nov 27, 2013 at 7:19 pm
You’re following the assimilation school of thought that says you have to choose, but in America there are countless ways to be an American. You’re still an American if you recognize your government didn’t do right by you as a citizen (read ANY American history book) and you’re still an American if the government wants to take your land and expose you to dangerous material and you object. Speaking up for yourself is completely in line with the “ideology of America.” What are you really espousing here?

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Kris
Nov 27, 2013 at 10:24 pm
You said it wayyyyyy better than I did. Just wanted to thank you for your response because that’s exactly what I was trying to get across, but apparently my rant got in the way.

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Rich D
Nov 27, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Joe, you just stated the double standard that Chamorros have to live with. America is both liberator and occupier. Our (US) government wants their cake and to eat it as well.
Can I ask you what your heritage is? Do you have any roots in Guam/CNMI? Because the only people who have ever told me that I should be grateful for what America has done for us, that I shouldn’t “bite the hand that feeds me”, are the very same people who are ignorant about the role that Guam has played in the last 70 years of American history.

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Kris
Nov 27, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Why shouldn’t they deserve an apology? America is a big showboating bully of a country and history proves it. America is also notorious for sweeping things under the rug and not that many people know about this issue so no real progress is being made to help. Either way, you sound really ignorant for trying to argue. But hey, you know what else you sound like though? A TRUE AMERICAN. I bet the government just loves saps like you because when I say “true American” I’m referring to your naivete and the fact that the wool is pulled so tightly over your eyes that you actually take pride in this destructive country. Freedom is America’s facade.

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Ruben Rosenberg Colorni
Nov 28, 2013 at 2:14 am
Your comment is simply idiotic.

The article makes the point that although the Chamorro people and other pacific islanders have been exploited for the benefit of the American people, they have hardly benefited from it and are even treated as second class citizens in their own nation. The historical background of the chronic disenfranchisement of Pacific Islanders by the U.S. (which is reciprocated by them with continued support through hard times) is simply intended to depict a trend that continues to this day.

Please stop to think for a minute before being all butthurt about your pseudo-patriotic spirit, which convinces nobody.

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Anon
Nov 28, 2013 at 11:36 am
Ok so then YOU make sacrifices, let me set up my military in 2/3 of your home without asking you and never make up for the 70 years of pain and oppression that I’ve put you through and ‘give’ you citizenship but don’t acknowledge it when you reach the mainland. But I guess it’s easy to say ‘make sacrifices’ when you’re an inbred redneck that yells ‘Murica!’ all day.

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Ric Tedtaotao
Aug 14, 2016 at 2:15 am
“Ok so then YOU…” Who English(ed) you? Your MATH teacher? YES, WE WERE GIVEN U.S. CITIZENSHIP, grant you America had to establish laws, a system of government, and develop the economy. This was done with military Laws and military governors. There was NO equal representation, let alone a “voice in government.” To become a “part” of America and to legitimize the American presence, Guamanians were given U.S. citizenship. So, F— YOU, ignorant SOB!!! “MURICA!” Is that suppose to mean “America?” You sorry piece of shit; Guamanians are NOT LATINO!

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CAROL
Nov 29, 2013 at 2:22 pm
DID YOU REALLY READ WHAT HE JUST WROTE? MR. JOE!! YOU JUST DON’T GET IT, HOW GUAM AND OUR PEOPLE SUFFERED, ROTA, TINIAN , SAIPAN AND OUR SURRONDING SISTER ISLANDS. THE U.S. ..YES, WE ARE FOREVER GREATFUL, BUT LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING AGAIN. WE GET KICKED AROUND LIKE ANIMALS, AND THEY USE OUR ISLAND FOR THERE TOXIC SHIT, WHO SUFFERS NOW? NOW, THEY WANT TO TAKE WHAT LITTLE WE HAVE LEFT FOR THE MILITARY TO FINISH US OFF! I’M MAD!!! WHY THE HECK DO WE GOTTA SHOW AND OR EXPLAIN OURSELVS JUST TO GO OUT DANCING? BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD AND DID FIGHT FOR WHAT WAS RIGHT. OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS THERE IN WASHINGTON AND ALL AROUND THE WORLD ”STAND UP ”……………..WE ARE AMERICANS JUST AS MUCH AS THE NEXT ONE! U G HHH!!

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NaCrisha
Dec 1, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Joe your final point is valid. However, the rest of what you said is bullshit. You know there comes a time when a person has earned the right to talk shit in their life. Our people know more of being “real” AMERICANS; having pride for what AMERICA use to stand for; the CONSTITUTION; the reality of working hard and earning your keep; THE TRUTH IS…. MOST OF THE PEOPLE BORN AND RAISED IN THE UNITED STATES ARE SPOILED SELF CENTERED EXPECTING ASSHOLES!!!! Like the author, you, and myself, WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT (CIVIL LIBERTIES) TO TALK AS MUCH SHIT AS WE WANT AND LET THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW IT…. CAUSE THAT’S WHAT BEING AN AMERICAN IS HUH! pssshhh smmfh RESPECT FOR OUR NATION IS DEPLETING… IN MY OPINION BITCHING ABOUT AN I.D. IS CHILD’S GAME. WE NEED TO ALL STAND TOGETHER FOR A BIGGER PICTURE…. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENED TO OUR FUCKING COUNTRY!!!! *JUST BE HAPPY YOU DON’T LIVE IN A STOP AND FRISK AREA* SMH

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Joe
Dec 13, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Well, it is very clear that the frustration the author has is felt by many others. Ask yourselves, does this frustration get better over time, or worse? Do you think that it someone from big America is actually ever going to do anything to ease your frustration? Have they done this in the past? It seems the Organic Act of Guam maybe has brought on more frustration. I think that it is indeed you yourselves who must do something to feel better. Complaining that the people of mainland America are ignorant is not the answer. Deciding to become one of them might be the answer for some. Deciding to go deep into your cultural heritage might be the answer for others. Both of these decisions require sacrifices to be made. Both of these decisions require a person to take a more focused approach to who they have decided they are. You are from the Pacific Islands by being born of that heritage, you are American by the Organic act of Guam. You did not make those decisions, they were made for you. The world is big and full of people who are dealing with their own issues. They do not want to hear you telling them that they should adjust themselves for you. Maybe they feel there are reparations due to them for some reason or another. Do you want to hear their complaints and take time to help them? Probably not. “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”, even if you are technically Roman yourself. Go get a local ID and then take the time to talk to people about your position as a person from Guam in Washington state. Also, if you are interested in the opinion of Guam leaving the United States, there are two UN security resolutions dealing with that. Guam is considered a non-self-governing territory. What that means? you have no head of state are are at the will and disposal of the United States. This is a very bad position to be in for any culturally rich group. Infact, the UN made there resolutions to try and end this from existing. Unfortunately, the local people of Guam voted to remain in the limbo state in 1996. Similar to other Pacific Islands, Tokelao, the people of Guam have enjoyed the luxuries of their occupiers so much that they now consider themselves one of them. It is a terrible thing and it has the great potential to end everyday traditional practices of the local population. The Pacific Islands are riddled with other problems like obesity, diabetes, cancer, invasive species, immigration issues, social welfare abuse, misuse and corruption on the local government level, ect.. These problems can easily be traced to the status of being and occupied territory and not an independent state (state meaning a country, not a state like Washington or Oregon). As for the comment on Hawaii, Hawaii did not have a choice. Hawaii was taken by the US without the consent of the Hawaiians. Guam not. Guam was given the choice to be independent. But Guam has never chosen independence. Guam has always chosen to remain an occupied land. http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/declaration.shtml
I urge the people of Guam to not yell, scream, and make uneducated statements, but rather read, learn the truth, and make a decision that will be best for them.

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alan
Apr 7, 2014 at 3:33 am
@joe The people of Guam since the early 1900’s have complained to congress and have even confronted the then US president about their situation. They were tired of the US Naval government that acted upon whim for not acknowledging that there were people on Guam before the US was ever on Guam. They were tired that the people of Guam were never represented in any decision the US made on Guam.
In truth, Guam has made the decision that would benefit themselves and lobbied it to D.C. in the years 1901, 1917, 1925, 1929, 1933, and 1936 all fruitless and then again in 1947, 1949, and 1950.
The small legislature on Guam at the time thought that the only way the people of Guam can have a say in Guam’s political, economical, and social affairs and thus Guam’s future was for the US to give them rights through citizenship. Citizenship was the vehicle to level the playing field between the naval governors and the people.
Guam was ruled as a presidential appointed naval dictatorship.
The one luxury that the people of Guam requested from their occupier that has not fully been recognized even today is the luxury of rights.
Their are certain rights that the people of guam cannot enjoy even though they are full-fledged american citizens.
The 1979 White House Report also suggested that independence and statehood not be apart of any Guam political status plebiscite. Saying that independence of Guam will be disadvantageous to the United States and Statehood would be bad for guam as they would not meet the tax burden. So where does that leave Guam?
The US did not want to let go of Guam and would most likely have prevented any independence from happening. They would’ve prevented independence from any territory they considered important to the interest of US. The only territories they have made independent are those that have no value to the US: the trust territories.
The Organic Act of 1950 was something crafted specifically to appease the people of Guam and cement the US’s role on the island. The Organic Act was not even written by any person from Guam. The Organic Act didn’t allow for self-government as the people of Guam believed it did. Still today, Guam is controlled by the department of the interiors.
The UN’s Non Self Governing territory is something the people of Guam DO NOT want to be taken off of just yet. The reason is that if Guam was taken off the list and a quasi-political status or self determination vote was created, even if it didn’t reflect the voting parties on Guam, the urgency of decolonization will be off the table for Guam. The world nations will cease to recognize Guam’s right to decolonize. This is why Guam is carefully crafting their plebiscite as we speak. It’s something that Guam wants to take seriously because Guam’s right to decolonize can not be taken back regardless if the vote was made in error.
You consider the fact about Hawaii and this baffles me. Hawaii did have a choice, and by 94.3% they said yes to statehood. They were removed from the UN’s list of non-self-governing territories in 1959. Many native Hawaiians actually want a do-over and the right to decolonize as the UN’s list warrants.
Regardless of who did and didn’t vote in this plebiscite, the fact remains that if Hawaii wants to decolonize, they are going to have a tough time doing it. This is why Guam wants to be careful with any self-determining plebiscite.
Interesting enough, you talk about the pacific being riddled with other problems. Did you now that many of those problems stem from American involvement in the US? Did you know many islanders look at the US to solve the problem because the US created it?
I bet you didn’t know that cancer rates in many Micronesian islands, including Guam, are linked to the Nuclear Testings on the Bikini Atoll in the Marshalls?
I bet you didn’t know that the US wanted to stop paying for the treatment of many from the marshals and surrounding islands who suffer from the US’s nuclear testing.
Did you know that World War II and the US bombardment of Guam changed Guam’s economy and society so drastically that Guam lost it’s agrarian society and became a consumer society in a blink which led to obesity and diabetes.
My grandmother went from eating what her family grew to eating what her family bought. No longer did she eat corn, fish, breadfruit, watermelon, and papayas on a daily basis, she ate Spam and drank Coke because it was easier for the Americans to do this than to re-establish their farm.

The most embarrassing thing about your comment is that you do not heed your own advice.

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Dione
Feb 26, 2015 at 6:11 am
If you think it was easier for “American’s” as you put it, to ship Coke and Spam over to Guam than Re-establish a farm, then you are as stupid as you sound. Spam had a long shelf life and it’s what was used to feed the American Solders, they brought it in to Guam because Chamorros were starving. Would you had rather people just starved to death while they were waiting on some corn to grow??? Another thing… what exactly do you think it takes to grow food??? I’m from a long line of farmers, and we don’t sit and “wait” for the government to come and “re-establish” our farms when we get hit by hurricanes or other disasters, we role up our sleeves and repair it ourselves. Don’t blame someone else because your Grandma liked the taste of Spam, that’s just idiotic. I guess you’re gonna blame Phillip Morris for showing Chamorros there is something called a cigarette. Why don’t you go ALL THE WAY BACK and blame Cain, who killed his brother Able..because without someone showing you murder, you would have never known it existed right??? ROFL… PLEASE. STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM. No one stopped anyone from growing food in Guam and news flash, no one is forcing the people of Guam to eat Spam. They make the choice to do it or they don’t. They are over weight because they eat too much and get very little exercise. People in America have SPAM for sale as well, but do they eat it like the Chamorros and Hawaiians do??? NO, because they choose not to because most of us know it’s processed meat and processed meats cause cancer. Stop blaming your short comings and decisions your own people make on others… that’s really getting old.

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Ric Tedtaotao
Aug 14, 2016 at 2:32 am
SPAM? Is that ALL you have to say about what ails Guam? After WWII, Europe had the Marshall Plan. America gave Chamorros PUBLIC DOMAIN. YOU go back further to Adam and Eve…Chamorros ate from the forbidden fruit; America!

Kai On Guam
Jan 6, 2017 at 5:06 pm
Dione,

I am from a farming family here on the Paradise Island of Guam. My father is from Marlboro, New York (yes I’m a airforce brat half cast) married to and Island woman. When explosives go off on your farm (which I’m sure you’ve never experienced) and then they test rainbow agents on your farm (agent orange and the such, which I’m sure you’ve never experienced)and dump toxic chemicals on your land (which I’m sure you’ve never experienced aside from your “pesticides” perhaps) you will begin to understand the problems we faced as farmers and in 2017 still face. If you don’t know all the factors we as farmers on Guam face (please look into cancer on Guam for more information) Please research your reply BEFORE you reply. As far as U.S. citizenship is concerned please note that under constitutional law we are not U.S. citizens we are in fact statutory citizens. I’m one of the lucky islanders because my dad is from New York!!!!

SCOTT
Dec 13, 2013 at 3:00 pm
1.) As for the “hes a bouncer, limited education” or whatever was written, is not a good excuse/point. My friend went to a bank of america somewhere in central california, and was denied to cash her check/withdraw money using her Guam drivers license. Fast forward a little- The bank’s branch manager came over to assist the teller, and also denies her. He said he never heard of Guam, and even after my ‘slightly amused-yet understanding’ friend explained the ‘Who? What? Where? When? Why? and How?’ about Guam for almost 5 minutes, the branch manager still refused and replied with a very sarcastic, rude and non professional ‘Don’t treat me like i’m stupid’ comment : “Well i’m sorry miss, but I graduated high school ahead of my class, I went to (Yale or Harvard, i forgot) for 5 years and graduated with honors, and I have never heard of a so called Guam.
Insulted she asks to see his boss immediately. He smirks, and calls her into his office, and proceeds to call up his boss at the main branch. He tells the boss the story for a few minutes and afterwards, takes another 2 minutes listening to him. Finally he says his goodbyes and ass kissing and hangs up, looks to my friend with the most embarrassing face and apologizes for everything. Apparently his boss knows of Guam and was very upset that the manager was very rude and disrespectful. ***Following week she goes to same bank to deposit, and sees a NEW manager.***

2) About the whole “Choose which one you are” post, I disagree to the fullest, no disrespect or insult intended though.
So what youre saying and i’m assuming you practice what you preach, is that youre willing to let Uncle Sam move into your house without your permission/approval. Take up 70% of your house, leaving you your bedroom for yourself, claiming this and declaring that, giving you a key for the front door, but not a key for the dead bolt, and on top of that not pay rent for the next 70 years??? If so, then you my friend are a push over, and are those kind of people who eventually start paying Uncle Sam rent in your own damn house.

Guam’s a very friendly, family oriented, raised with respect and morales, kind of island. If we had it our way, Uncle Sam would ask us first and we’d definitely take him in. He would not be lectured but asked, he would not be obligated but respectfully requested to HELP with the rent/bills, he would be given his own room, his own set of KEYS, and we’d have a talk to better understand each other about the Do’s and Don’ts, the likes and dislikes, and after all is said and done, Uncle Sam and us would be in the backyard BBQ’n, shooting the shit, and killing some beers, all on THE FIRST NIGHT!!

KEEP GUAM GOOD!!

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Ric Tedtaotao
Aug 14, 2016 at 2:40 am
Good point; about the generosity of Guamanians. As a Guam high school student (Go Geckos) a public official who was a teen during WWII said that he knows of families whom gave the rights to there lands to the U.S. to SHOW THEIR APPRECIATION, their LOYALTY for the liberation of Guam from the Japanese.

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hannah
Feb 16, 2015 at 1:43 am
Lol! Let me guess you must be a white man! I wonder if you tell native americans the same thing! We deserve citizenship you moron. The US demolished our beautiful island and culture.. Us citizenship is the least your government can do! Typical haole to say such a thing. You deserve a punch to the mouth for that.

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Charlie
Mar 16, 2015 at 2:29 pm
Hannah, the people of Guam do deserve citizenship because of the island’s status. I believe it is their right. However, I can’t say every American truly "deserves" a citizenship that they take for granted. That’s the end of that. You are a racist, ignorant, and very small-minded to call someone out on the assumption of their ethnicity. Demeaning a person using their ethnicity as your basis of your argument is a far more inferior and ignorant thing to say than anything he said. You should be ashamed of yourself. You need to educate yourself in the world and in tolerance. Using phrases like "white man" and "typical haole" only further validates the his argument and the argument that racism still exists. I am all those things..white, native american, pacific islander, and asian. I find great offense in your comment but I think it’s more sad and frustrating that you can so easily throw prejudice and hate based on the color of someone’s skin. The US is not the one littering, writing up murals and buildings with graffiti, trashing schools and property with negligence, and polluting the beaches.. We are, the people living on Guam. Let’s take some responsibility and work together as one. Inspire the community with positive words and humanity. You should do something about it instead of spreading Hate, Ignorance, and Violence because that is truly all I see in your comment.

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LT. COLLIN HEISE
Feb 17, 2015 at 9:36 pm
Thank you Joe, well said.

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Joe P
Jul 2, 2015 at 9:45 am
Wow, you are really stupid Joe. Please don’t breed.

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Ric Tedtaotao
Aug 14, 2016 at 1:49 am
SACRIFICES? Chamorros from Guam and the CNMI (Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas Islands) have made and are still making sacrifices daily. How? Chamorro men and women have made the ultimate sacrifice for their islands. Chamorro men and women still serve on active duty. Weekend warriors; private citizens are called to active duty, case in point: service in Somalia not long after 911. SACRIFICES? What about the families of active duty, reservists, and National Guardsmen in all branches of the U.S. MILITARY??? GLOBAL POWER? America projects its GLOBAL POWER with forward-based installations and personnel, not to mention weapon systems and weapon platforms!!! Do not insult our SACRIFICES of all ALL Chamorros, whether from the CNMI and Guam. WE ARE AMERICANS and have proven it a hundredfold. Make SACRIFICES? Na te nahon?

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Michael
Nov 27, 2013 at 7:23 pm
It’s amazing how mad you are about things that happened 60-120 years ago. And yeah, it blows that our language and culture was bludgeoned , but the Spanish did it for almost 400 years before the US took over. Are you mad at Spain too?

I’m not surprised that bouncers (21-35 year olds with presumably limited educations) don’t know that Guam is America. I think it’s unreasonable for you to think they would. Most people know nothing of Guam, and these guys are just trying to not lose their jobs.

I take great pride in my being from Guam, and love to educate people about the culture, language, and heritage. When approached with a smile and an open heart, most mainland Americans jump at the chance to learn about our island.

It’s easy to be angry about injustices, and there have been lots against Guamanians, but try not to forget all the good that’s come from being American. Guam couldn’t possibly survive as an independent state. And our people are free to come and go as they please within the freest and richest country in the world.

You’re young. Try to not also be angry. (Nothing says “stop and frisk me” like an ethnically ambiguous 20 something who carries himself with a chip on his shoulder.)

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Antgnats
Nov 28, 2013 at 6:03 am
Thanks Michael, I couldn’t say it better! My old landlord in Fallbrook, Ca lost his brother fighting for Guam. His name was Marshall. He was 21 years old when he died. I don’t know why but I carry that with me. Sacrifices he and his family made.

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Chris
Nov 28, 2013 at 8:09 am
Well said Michael, people tend to leave out facts such as the one you pointed out about the Spanish. Though i am not from Guam, i married a Chamorro women that i love with all my heart and i definitely want my kids to know their heritage but, i also don’t want them walking through life angry either. Some people forget that some of these small places, some people may not know where that is at and they are miseducated a little bit.

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Brent
Nov 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Geez …… the author should honestly read, “An Island In Agony” by Tony Palomo. He is the worlds leading expert, author and historian regarding Guam, from Guam, living on Guam. You owe it to your own heritage to write accurately instead of spreading falsehoods and misrepresentations. FYI – Mr. Palomo is a proud Chamorro. As for the Guam ID – get over it, you’re 22 not 16. Act like a man.

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Chris
Nov 29, 2013 at 5:20 am
The world’s leading expert??? That’s the biggest, most overblown claim I’ve ever heard. Close, but no cigar.

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Dione
Feb 26, 2015 at 6:26 am
“close but no cigar”…??? Couldn’t you have thought up something more original..??? It’s so tiresome reading overused analogies… and just for the record, your ignorance is beyond overwhelming! Tony Palomo was born and raised in Guam, and lived there before you or your parents were even thought about. He was there and actually saw the Japanese when they invaded Guam. He represented Guam in the Senate and He also received an excellent education in the mainland and then returned and raised his 10 children on Guam. Where do you get off thinking he isn’t qualified to be an expert on Guam??? AND YOU ARE AN EXPERT I PRESUME??? ROFL…. IDIOT is what you are.

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key
Nov 27, 2013 at 7:49 pm
All because we are a colony…

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Jimmy
Nov 27, 2013 at 8:09 pm
I think the real question here is if you are residing in Seattle why not get a WA state id or DL?

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Beling Q
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:47 pm
Yes, but it seems that everything said is about Chamoru History. But back to the Guam ID, the clubs in Washington should not void our Guam ID’s because WE are born U.S. Citizens! That is the whole point in this site. Proud Chamoru with Guam ID! 🙂

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Jimmy
Nov 27, 2013 at 8:11 pm
I think the real question here is if you are residing in Seattle why not get a WA state id or DL? This would solve all your night life problems.

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JPL
Dec 13, 2013 at 10:25 am
Because then he would have to pay sales tax at stores.

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berto
Nov 27, 2013 at 8:29 pm
the issue is with the uneducated bouncer not with being a “minority american”. what if you had a bouncer that actually knew that guam was part of the united states and it wasn’t an issue going in an out of the club? the issue is with the bouncer… escalating things will get stupid people voicing their opinions that doesn’t have anything to do with your issue.

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Terence
Nov 27, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Actually, the bombs were flown out of Tinian. But, it is sad that many don’t know about Guam, though is not surprising. Even on Guam, places would not accept a Guam firearms ID and think its fake and it issued by the Guam Police Department.

Likewise, The US government owns about 1/3 of Guam… which is still awfully a huge chunk of the island.

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Jaynina
Nov 28, 2013 at 12:42 am
Tinian is Chamorro land.

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Jordan
Nov 29, 2013 at 5:34 am
Naw, man. He said, “flown out of Chamoru land.” He didn’t say “Guam.”

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Christie Blas
Nov 27, 2013 at 9:27 pm
I was in Illinois and my driver’s license was expiring in a few weeks. So, I went to the DMV trying to get an Illinois driver’s license, which proved to be a daunting task. Most DMV employees didn’t know anything about Guam and were telling me that I had to go through the entire process of getting my license as though I never had one. Then, after driving an hour and a half to a DMV where someone knew of Guam’s existence and our American citizenship, and after passing the written exam, I was told that because I’m from Guam they had to hold on to my driver’s license to do a background check to insure that I am not an identity thief. I was so frustrated and the discrimination was a real shocker!
My driver’s license arrived in the mail a week later.

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Jacob
Dec 5, 2013 at 1:23 pm
It isn’t discrimination that takes place. Remember that in the United States there are a bunch of cases dealing with identity theft so it’s only natural that a person who wasn’t really educated of Guam’s history is wondering whether or not you are just faking it. At least you got your license haha.

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peter
Nov 27, 2013 at 9:50 pm
I understand the frustration and irritation that people from US territories face when presenting our IDs. But why are you living a state without an ID from that state? I live in las vegas and the first thing I did was getting a local ID. I know a lot of people do not know what guam is so why bother explaining.

There is a level of “pride” that a lot of islanders seem to take overboard. If you want people to know about our islands then be a geography or history teacher. If you want to rant about problems that can easily be avoided then don’t take advantage of the opportunities that the mainland has to offer and go back to your island.

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Jordan
Nov 29, 2013 at 5:36 am
Well, it’s not a requirement to get one. You can get along fine and well, by law, with a Guam ID.

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mac
Nov 30, 2013 at 10:00 am
Peter, I agree all this is. Is an I.D. issue carry your pass port, or get an I.D. for the state you are residing in.

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SaipanBrad
Nov 27, 2013 at 10:35 pm
As someone who lives here, and not the mainland, please allow me to clear up a few mistakes in your post.

1. Chamorro wasn’t a written language until the 1970s so there weren’t any Chamorro books to burn.

2. “Chamorro land” was taken by the Spanish. It has been controlled by other nations for over 400 years. Now the island of Guam belongs to the United States and boasts a robust international population.

3. Reparations should never be paid by US Government. If you seek reparations for the hardship caused by the invading Japanese, start by petitioning the US Government to seek reparations from Japan.

4. There are at most five residents living on Pagan. All evacuated decades ago and chose to remain in Saipan.

I’m glad that you’re passionate about your culture, but you’re painting an imperfect picture for your readers.

You’re correct about the ID though. That’s not really so much of an injustice as it is a matter of ignorance by mainlanders.

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Jaynina
Nov 28, 2013 at 3:09 am
You bring up a good point about pictures. To me, Dakota is interrupting the inaccurate picture that already exists, if one even exists at all in the minds of most Americans.

I would like to add the following to the picture:

1. The Chamorro language was systematically and intentionally targeted by the US Navy. And there were written Chamorro documents on Guam that the US burned. See http://guampedia.com/american-style-colonialism/. There are further suggested reading listed at the end as well.

2. Does this mean that it is okay for the US to continue this history of occupation? We should just accept it?

3. I disagree. As you mentioned in #2, Guam was a colony of the United States at that time and instead of protecting our families, they abandoned them. They share a piece of that responsibility and the least they can do, is formally recognize that responsibility. Money is the way that America shows their priorities. So reparations would be fitting.

4. I am wondering if our future generations might want to visit this island, live there, play there. If plans go through, what would be left? And what about the wildlife and the nature that is there? And when will it stop?

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Keju
Nov 29, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Interesting Brad. So you’re saying that:

1. bibles were never written in Chamorro before US occupation?

2. Chamorro people haven’t forgotten about the Spanish people, in fact, look at the protests against making San Vitores a saint. The fact is, the U.S. (not America, there are 2 Americas and the us makes up for only 1/3 of the northern one) and it’s citizens have selective amnesia while others are ignorant.

3. Reperations shouldn’t be paid? The only reason why Guam and Pearl Harbor were attacked were because of US naval presence. Otherwise, why do you think Guam have the only bad experience with Japan in Micronesia. Yeah that’s right, Japanese treated Microneisans well until the war broke out, and again, that’s all because of US military causing mistrusts between the Japanese and the Microsians when they began recruiting Micronesian spies, who by the way were never properly acknowledged by the US military.

4. Pagan residence didn’t just chose to move to Saipan, Tinian, Guam, or the Continent (not Mainland, unless you are a Native America and not just a us citizen), they were evacuated because of volcanic eruption and continued instability.

Just because you live on Saipan and you know and may have ran, golfed, and shared a few beers with a Chamorro that does not mean you could possibly understand what a Chamorro feels based on your exposure to NMI history books (not written by Chamorros) and a few articles (funded by US government grants). Speak to the elders, oh wait, you probably have lived there for 15 years and never learned to appreciate the indigenous culture and the people enough to at least learn one complete sentence.

As for the folks who think keeping a Guam ID is stupid when living in Washinton State, I dare you to tell a person from Boston living in NY to stop wearing a B hate and put on a Red Sox one instead.

And for the rest of you so called Americans, I’m not an American but I know that when writing English (which by the way is my 3rd language), texts are nothing but symbols used for subtexts. It’s not about the bouncer, it’s about being given one dollar for a big chunk of an island and basically get looked at by a cashier as if you were paying with monopoly game money. You guys are obviously one of those who attended school under the no child left behind act.

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Keju
Nov 29, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Yankees*

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Sally
Nov 28, 2013 at 3:05 pm
I have to say I love the “facts” presented in this comment.
I have a couple of other thing to say because this article gives me even more insight into the Chamorro culture but in the bias against the Americans it has glorified the wonderful Japanese who put the Chamorros into concentration camps to protect them? What about all the massacres? When the Japanese knew the Americans were coming they took the strongest Chamorro men and killed them by the dozens. Tinta and Faha come to mind (mainly because I have gone to those and other sites to pray over the Chamorro people. http://guampedia.com/war-atrocities-tinta-and-faha-cave…/ That was just one inaccuracy I saw.
When the Americans came in 1899 the laws they implemented were the same ones that were implemented by many conquerors of that era. Were the Spanish better to live under? Just a couple of thoughts.
I love the Chamorro people and their culture but inciting people to action through error and hatred is sad. Action should be encouraged beacuse of desire and decisions for progress not hatred of past. Just a thought.

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Chris
Nov 29, 2013 at 5:57 am
You are wrong, Saipan.
1) The Spanish have been translating and writing books in Spanish and Chamorro since the spread of Catholicism to the locals. I have a Chamorro Prayer book printed in 1937 in Manila sitting on my shelf. What’s with your wrong dates?
2)The Spanish let some Chamorro families keep their lands, which is why some families still have their lands and deeds in Guam. Some of these land deeds date to Spanish times and are written in Spanish language.
3)Too late. The US Gov’t already paid out War Reparations to many Asian countries already but left out Guam on purpose.
4)Pagan residents come and go, due to volcanic activities. This doesn’t mean it’s ok for the US Military to confiscate and bomb the place. The land titles are still valid and recognized by the US as legitimate proof of ownership.

Glad everyone paid attention to the bar story because it’s there to hook the readers into the story and to get their attention focused on the real issues… but then everyone blanks out after that part….

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Jacob
Dec 5, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Just a correction to your first point. Remember that the current Chamorro language is a great mix of both of Filipino and Spanish (mostly Spanish). The “burning of books” that these guys are talking about isn’t of present day Chamorro, it is more Spanish than it is Chamorro.

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Frank
Dec 10, 2013 at 1:55 am
Chamorro is not a mix of Filipino and Spanish. There are borrowed words from Spanish, but that doesn’t mean Chamorro is an offshoot or pidgin. The syntax is still the same from hundreds of years ago. 1/3 of the English language is comprised of French words, but that doesn’t mean English is part of the French language. When you are colonized by another country for hundreds of years, it is no surprise that many of your words are those of the colonizer.

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Dione
Feb 26, 2015 at 6:53 am
@Frank
You are sadly mistaken… The ORIGINAL Chamorro people did not have ANY Spanish sounding words at all in their language. The first Chamorros were Austronesian-speaking peoples which were from South East Asia. The Spanish people FORCED their religion on the island (Catholicism) as well as their language and culture, so please. The true Chamorro people are a thing of the past. All that’s left is a little bit of the original blood lines mixed in with 400 years of the Spanish blood lines. That’s why the TRUE Chamorros were described as almost Giants at averaging well over 6 feet tall. (the women as well) But breeding with the Spanish bloodlines dropped the height significantly which is why there are so many short chamorros now.

Donna
Feb 16, 2015 at 1:41 am
Are you kidding? So the Chamorro people didn’t have a language until the Spanish and Filipinos came into play?

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Terry J. Huber
Feb 15, 2015 at 4:03 am
#3 is a big problem, because the US acting as representatives of Guam forgave the Japanese. The US should now step up and fill the void they created.

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Anonymous
Nov 27, 2013 at 11:25 pm
And yet without the military or the united states guam would really suck to live in right now… Ever since they started to govern themselves its been all down hill and corruption from there. Welcome to Guam!

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dee
Nov 28, 2013 at 4:37 am
You sound like an ignorant person that was on Guam, and during your stay you never got what you wanted. The US government is probably the most corrupt government in the world. If I made a comment like yours I’d be Anonymous too.

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Keju
Nov 30, 2013 at 1:29 am
That is false, Guam and the rest of the Mariana’s has the capability of surviving as an independent United Marianas. Look at Palau, they have proven numerous times by refusing to retract their nuclear free law as requested by the United States and they are doing just fine. Maybe even better than Guam, actually, much better, as an indigenous group. They make their own laws, some of which are in place to protect the indigenous and their rights. For example, fishing laws that allows only the native to harvest certain animals, and land ownership. No it’s not discrimination, it’s their lands and their laws. You want land and fishing rights on stolen and native blood stained soil, then go to the United States where you can purchase licenses (available to anyone, as long as you can afford it) and not complain on someone else’s.

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Jen
Feb 17, 2015 at 5:45 pm
So I’m only commenting here because the further I read the more I feel people ALL people have lost their compassion for humanity. There is one RACE the human race and all the fighting about land, race, culture and religion are ALL about power. It is unfortunate that humans continue to repeat their history over and over again. People migrated out of Africa the oldest continent in the world and spread out over the nations. Our differences in color is not what makes ear its mans greed. Greed that ALL humans of all places harbor. The fight that hurts us most is the fight for good and evil. There is ONLY ONE creator and no matter what you call him, he/she continues to grace us with the free will to choose right over wrong. mans greed will be the end of all people. Spending more time on weapons to destroy each other rather than find away to make sure all future generations will even have a place to call home anywhere on this planet as we drain all earths natural resources. All the resentment and fighting about protecting culture. Let’s fight about protecting humans. Because when it is all said and done none of it will mean anything when we die and we look at what we where fighting over instead of what we were fighting for. We are our own worst enemy. And when a person of good character is asked to do the right thing it will not matter what color you are or where you live what will matter most is if it helped each other. What we define as right or wrong is way different than our creators meant. Help thy neighbor, feed the hungry, and do so not expecting anything in return. All religions teach right and wrong. What do you teach?

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Donna
Feb 16, 2015 at 1:43 am
And without the United States maybe our people wouldn’t be dying of Cancer at such a high rate … just saying!

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Charlie
Feb 20, 2015 at 3:11 pm
Let’s be real.. you can’t blame a country for giving another cancer unless they intentionally do so. You’re not ‘just saying’; you’re saying, it seems anything, without thinking. Educate yourself.

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Donna
Feb 16, 2015 at 1:44 am
Maybe without the United States our people wouldn’t be dying of Cancer at such an alarming rate …

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Dione
Feb 26, 2015 at 6:55 am
Maybe if the people on Guam didn’t eat so much processed food, which is a KNOWN carcinogen, then maybe they wouldn’t be getting cancer at such an alarming rate! YA THINK??? Stop blaming and put the damn fork down!

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Joe Cruz
Nov 28, 2013 at 12:26 am
Well my name is Cruz… I live in Oklahoma City in my case I just say I’m from Guam it is a secret u.s territory like Area 51. It secret cause the u.s holds the most deadly warriors there called the Taotaomona Chamorros and we are the secret weapon of mass destruction for the United States of America. So keep your head up U.S.m.C…….

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V
Feb 17, 2015 at 2:42 pm
@Joe…lmao!! Thank you, my Chamorro husband and I had a really good laugh! Really needed it after reading all the other comments!

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Oliver
Nov 28, 2013 at 2:24 am
If you are now part of the 9000 strong chamorro community residing in Washington, by law you are required to get a Washington drivers license within 30 days of moving. Or are you using it to get sale tax exempt purchases at stores? Whip out that law on your smartphone and avoid being hassled by getting the required license. With you long hair it doesn’t look like you serve in the military so you shouldn’t still have a guam license.

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Kim
Nov 28, 2013 at 3:29 am
Exactly what I was thinking! Tax exempt purposes probably.

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dee
Nov 28, 2013 at 3:42 am
Ignorance!!!

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dee
Nov 28, 2013 at 3:41 am
It’s an ID card not a DL which means he doesn’t have to surrender it. FYI Guam residents are not tax-exempt in the WA or US, we pay our fair share although I believe there are about 5-6 different US STATES that are exempt in the state of WA.

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Red
Nov 28, 2013 at 6:20 am
I beg to differ. I live in Washington state and yes in some major retail stores, if not all of them, Guam residents are surely tax exempted just like Alaska and Montana residents. Friends and family who come to visit take advantage.

And although I haven’t seen the difference between a Guam DL and a Guam ID, I can see the almost see the reasoning for the bouncers hesitance. I’ve had friends and family use their Guam’s DL to get into bars with no problem. It’s the most common form of an ID regardless where you’re from and that’s what they’re used to seeing.

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dee
Nov 28, 2013 at 4:25 am
Bro your heart is in the right place, but you’re thinking too far ahead of yourself. Our elders have been saying the samething for over a century while going unnoticed, what makes you think the world wants to hear it from you. You are very much correct about the “Enlistee and Death Statistic” I refer to it as “More Patriotism per Capita”. For that very statistic is the reason us Chamorros have a high expectation in the US miltary. We have fought in every war beginning with WW2. Yes its hard to deal with ignorance, but there are better ways to deal with it. Instead of choosing second class citizenship treatment I chose to join the military to prove that i deserve to be recognized fairly, I let my actions speak for me. I come from a two different families, my Dads side Chamorro Activists and my Moms a long history of military (starting with WW2). Stuck in the middle of two I chose to take my Chamorro Pride and enlisted, I was 17 and my pride got me in a lot of trouble. I am now 33 with 16 years of proud service in the US Army and counting. In those 16 years I have learned that you have to act the way you want to be treated. I am glad you know your history but you got to think of your future. Desperate cries for recognition will only weakens us. Instead go make a good name for yourself, while proudly flaunting your Chamorro Pride. That is all we can do, just go with the flow and never forget where your from!!!! Happy Thanks Giving Che’lu!!!

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Kippenhan
Nov 28, 2013 at 5:40 am
We live in a Democratic nation now. If you want someone to blame fault it on your weak ass politicians and yourselves. You can’t change the past you can only learn from it and use it to shape the future. Do you really think they would allow the military down there if the majority of the islander population said to hell with that. You the people as well as your politicians play an important role to protect your oceans, your homes and your land so quit crying and do something about it. I have Chamorro blood and I’m one of those that left the island at 18 to fight in the war and I haven’t been back since the Gutierrez-Bordallo Administration. I miss the island and I would hate to have more military there to taint it. I know better than anyone since i was once a Marine. There are two sides to every coin though and even a broken clock is right twice a day. The military means a better economy and a better economy means more jobs and public goods. The only problem is the effect…government pollution, illegal services like prostitution becoming a big thing and rape (cause it’s a popular thing for service men away from CONUS…etc There’s a reason they want the Military outta Okinawa.

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Dezmond Goff
Nov 28, 2013 at 8:42 am
Keep speaking your truth brotha. Never stop, it’s vital for all of us, for all our many ancestors who have been used, tortured, abused and killed by this brutal nation, and for all of us who face the same today. Speak fiercely, love fiercely. Ase.

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Haole
Nov 28, 2013 at 10:31 am
As an outsider from the mainland, aka “haole”, whom lived on Guam for sometime I have the following observations & opinions:
1) GovGuam is corrupt, why would the US pay reparations to only have the few on Guam pocket the cash and still point the finger at the “big bad Americans”
2) The Chamarro people trash the island with litter and/or collect trash on their land and proud of their “treasures”. The military and other outsiders care more about making the island beautiful again than Chamarros
3) You’re a tiny island in the middle of nowhere, pick your poison and live with it. If not for the USA you’d be an extinct culture executed by the Japanese, Chinese, Spanish or whomever wanted to take control of your island because you’re unable to defend yourself.
4) Your culture is flawed in contrast to today’s society. Wearing grass skirts and living off the land is an extinct way of life. I’m not saying forget your culture but it needs to reflect aspects of today’s society. First thing, EDUCATION! If the Chamorro’s educated themselves then NOBODY would be able to take that from them. ACCOUNTABILITY, stop pointing the finger at other nations and OWN your mistakes or shortfalls. Whining only makes your culture seem weak. I’m exhausted reading/listening about the hardship that the Chamorro people suffered. We have ALL suffered hardships of some sort, it’s the world we live in. If you can’t adapt then you’ll be extinct. Buck up or get lost, but most importantly shut your mouth about the “big bad Americans”!
5) The predominant families on Guam (you know who they are) send their children to get an American education and then they come back to island and start meaningful and successful businesses. These Chamorro families stepped their game up. The rest are too lazy and want to point fingers rather than putting in hard work.

Like I said above, these are my observations and opinions.

Best of luck Guam!

Like I said above, these are my observations and opinions.

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Sally
Nov 28, 2013 at 3:09 pm
It is very difficult to battle emotioin wtih facts.

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Leah
Feb 18, 2015 at 4:33 pm
Did you know That Chamorros Are Actually Well Educated About The US and it’s history where as the average US child reads MAYBE a page of guams history? Did you also know that as we speak guam continues to try pass laws to better their island?
Did you know that although the culture is very old in its traditions family success rates are higher then the average US families? Did you also know that most chamorro families send their children to the mainland because unfortunately the island is just too small at times for a larger academic range for those with interest that exceed guam not just because they have “stepped up their game”. My suggestion is to go live with a chamorro you’ll learn alot more then sitting on your butt drinking a sex on the beach while a true chamorro is serving you you chili fries and asking if you’d like another drink to boot.

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Dione
Feb 26, 2015 at 7:09 am
@Leah
Are you serious? Since the Mainland (USA) saved Guam from the Japanese who were enslaving, torturing, raping, and murdering the Chamorro people, I should hope that the people on Guam know more about America than America knows about Guam…. When was the last time Guam came to America’s rescue???? (crickets chirping)…….. Speaking of education… Guam is in control of their own local government, education, and issues in general. The public education in Guam is horrible and it’s their own fault. It doesn’t take much to raise the standard in education but instead of spending money on the students, it’s too busy being embezzled by the Chamorros who run it. (look it up). My mother-in-law has to pay for my nieces and nephews to attend a private school because the public school in Guam is a joke. It’s over run with drugs, gang activity, and low ambitions. Stop blaming the country who came to your rescue… if you want things to get better on Guam then the CHAMORROS WHO ARE CORRUPTING THE PLACE NEEDS TO CHANGE IT FOR THE BETTER… stop whining like a coward and expecting handouts.

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JIMMYLEE SÅNTOS MANTANOÑA
Jul 23, 2015 at 7:43 am
Para i “Haole” ni tinige este nachalek na basulan båbarias put i Taotao hu yan i Tano hu:
Esta hu gof tungo na ti siña hao un taitai pat mås komprende este i tinige hu sin maisa lao ti para bai hu påra yan tulaika para hågo gåga malaña. Ti hu tungo amåno na gaige yan kuantos åños na sumåga hao gi i TANO i MAN CHAMORRO yan pot fabot si Yu’us en fan binendise hao komo guaguaha tietenan tiempo mu gi i mås gåtbo na ISLAS giya i PARAISON PASIFIKO sa ti såbes hao na macheng. Na piniti sa gof annok na chatpago na klåsen taotao lågo hao yan dimasiao pareho kostombremo yan i gåga siha ni humålom gi åñon 1898. Chamo sangångåni i TAOTAO HU na nisisita ham bien fan tulaika i linalåta put i nuebo na diha ni un lili’e gi åtlabes na titanos mo kadoko. Baba i båchet matåmo, pacha yan fanhongge i uriyåmo. Lålala i aniten i ISLAS MARIÅNAS atchuka ti yamo brodie. Bai hu na chålek duru gi menan matåmo yanggen ti un lalålo adai sa ilekmo na båba i LIHESLATURAN GUAHAN yan i Gobietnon Guam. Hekkua kao maleffa hao pat put “IGNORANT” hao na “IDIOT” lao ti i kostombren CHAMORRO eyu na sisteman manganiti. Ginen i taotao mo gi madalok daggan miyu kåksaka. Maolekña un na påra gi sagåmo gi sagan babui ni ti mamagågåsi taki tarabiha sa chumuchuda gi pachot mo yan i madalok guiengmo ni un sosodda i båbarias. Esta dos åños na hu bakashoshon gi Ustados Unidos ya tåya na hu tulaika i kotturå hu para mashesa håfa na MF’ atchuka pareho pachot miyu. Bai hu profesa na put i KOTTURÅ HU i KOTTURAN CHAMORRO i KOTTURAN MARIÅNAS na hu ipos todo i “taotao mu” siha gi checho hu yan esta man mañåsaga 10 åños pat mås gi sanpapa yan pågo humåhalom YU’. Kåno diablo.

Gåga Malaña hao Puñidera.
Chada Nanåmo ombre

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Brent
Nov 28, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Oh yeah another note for the author …… Guam was attacked HOURS after Pearl Harbor, in fact it was four am Guam, lcl when Guam received word the US Fleet had been sunk… Guam was hit some hours later. And those “infamous” Kamikazis at Pearl Harbor endured by your Grandfather didn’t come into existence until the invasion of Okinawa in 1945 … sounded cool though! Unfortunately, the rest of your story is as deluded as the beginning. I was 22 and ignorant once I just didn’t publish it for the educated to rip to pieces. Chamorros, Guam – deserve better than a rank amateur who’s more worried about clubbing the dance scene than the right to exist in freedom. BTW – USS George Washington is in the Philippines providing 1/2 millions of fresh water daily, Full Hospital, Food, 6,000 willing sailors to a people ravaged by nature – God Bless Them!

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Proud Chamorro
Nov 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Hafa Adai My Chamorro Brother.
Ignorance is bliss and all you can do is educate those who do not know. Keep in mind bouncers are only doing there jobs. So what if there was a whole line of Islanders, from Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa and they only hassled the Chamorros? At that time, you could have legal options especially if it was only from that one bar or specific chain of bars. Legal action takes time and money and requires factual proof. So the best bet is to educate those that don’t know and or educate others on that one specific or chain of bars and boycott them. Or go to a different bar.

Sounds like you have a hidden agenda…Opposing the DoD is a large task and as a Military member of 27+ years, opposing them may do no good since we have been given freedom from Chamorros and all others that have served within the DoD!

Nothing is perfect, but educate where you can, control what you can control, and enjoy life to the fullest!

BTW…What was the name of the Bar or Bars? Ha…Kidding and really don’t care to know!

Good luck opposing DoD! Remember, your Family members and thousands of Chamorros have served and will continue to serve in the military, within DoD.

Lastly…As a US Citizen and Chamorro, you are FREE to go to school, start a business and make millions, get married and have tons of kids, join the military, or go to the beach and drink beer. Do what you can! The FREEDOM is there!

Si Yuus Maase!

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two cents
Nov 28, 2013 at 7:00 pm
I agree that it’s outrageous and ridiculous that any U.S. citizens, including those in the U.S. territories, would have to show a passport. However, this is not just a Chamorro “injustice.” Isn’t this something that Puerto Ricans, U.S. Virgin Islanders, American Samoans, etc. face, too? Why do the Chamorros on the mainland always have to be so melodramatic?

Also, the fact that you claim Chamorros enlist and die at a higher rate than any other group is just plain erroneous. Citizens of the various Micronesian ethnic groups in the Federated State of Micronesia would easily beat Chamorros to that unfortunate title (much smaller populations with much higher U.S. military enlistment rates). What’s worse – Micronesians that enlist are not even U.S. citizens, like Chamorros are.

At the end of the day, these bouncers are young kids like you, who are not from Guam. The whole issue is just a matter of public ignorance, not “injustice.” Little to nothing is taught in U.S. schools about the U.S. territories, so perhaps it’s the curriculum you should go after and not the poor guy checking cards at the door. Even better, contact your local Guamanian government and the U.S. federal government to organize a public awareness campaign.

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Micronesian in Solidarity with Chamorro people (the real kind)
Nov 30, 2013 at 2:13 am
As someone from another Micronesian country, I have to say that we do have these struggles too and I can’t say that we have it worst than the Chamorros, just different political trap by the us government. I urge you to read an article called the Solomon report that shows how Kennedy administration had contracted anthropologists to find ways to make these Micronesian countries, including Guam to become dependent on the US. Additionally, keeping them poor so that they could start believing that the only way they could survive is by becoming loyal subjects to the US government. Hmmm, sounds like the US military, be the cause for the Japanese to attack Guam, that would be enough to keep the people living in fear for generations to come. Thus the blind patriotism (which by the way, is not why many Micronesians, Chamorro, and even US citizens join the military). I’ve never lived on Guam but I know this much; there is a saying there “ID, I Do.” A perfect example of why many soldiers enlist in the US military; benefits, economic stability, and compensation for lack of pride in something, and influenced by the ethnocentric US media, they seek American pride. After all, why accept pride from a few when you can be celebrated for murder and have holidays honoring your killing over thousands, some of which are collateral?

Face it Chamorro military men, you didn’t join the military to fight for your peoples safety. You did it because you envied someone having a better life than you imagined your future to be if you remained on Guam.

You envied these people because you lack pride In being a Pacific Islander, wowed by individualist ideology that you could be better than others. You lost your root to your people, a communal group, who’s only chance of survival and success is based on the contributions of every one of their people, including you. But no, you rather be upfront holding someone else’s flag and killing people that had done nothing to your people except for sharing similar obsession by superpowers like the one you proudly kill for. I dare you to look at one of you enemies in the eyes and imagine them being on Guam, I bet you would believe they are Chamorro.

You say Chamorro cannot survive without America, I agree, but that is only because people like you refuse to fight to try and make it work, instead, you’re fighting for what your people fight against; globalists, imperialists, capitalists, individualists, etc etc etc. you’ve been ist-ticiced.

Micronesian in Solidarity with Chamorro, the real ones, not the ones who left their lands and families and think they know better than the ones who stayed back and continue to fight the True War in the Pacific. The True War never ended, it just got covered up by the Japanese-American War experience.

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james
Nov 28, 2013 at 7:25 pm
interesting article. i agree you may want to include cnmi in any new iterations of the article. hope it gets better!

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Hajii
Nov 28, 2013 at 10:45 pm
I’ve read through all the article and responses and agree that the facts in it are completely accurate but, also not completely false after saying that your point of injustice would have been acceptable if you ;left out the whole thing about the bar bouncer in this your own ignorance is just as responsible for the it happening you sound smart enough and have lived long enough to understand that there are a world of people who don’t know that Guam exists and it’s not their fault I don’t know what to think about the intent of this article other than “it’s misguided” and a far cry from “injustice”

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Hajii
Nov 28, 2013 at 10:57 pm
(first sentence correction) “I’ve read through all of the article and and responses agree that the facts aren’t completely accurate.”

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Kathy
Nov 28, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Just because there are people out there who are uninformed about Guam, and that Guam is a US territory, doesn’t mean it’s an injustice. It just means that the guy really doesn’t know because like a majority of Americans, they were not taught this in school. You live in Washington and want to get into the clubs, so get a WA driver’s license or ID.

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George Cruz
Nov 29, 2013 at 12:19 am
Chamorros are not the only people who live on Guam, USA. Chamorros are only 40% of the population, so they are not a majority of the total Guam population. Filipinos are the next largest ethnic group on Guam and they keep on increasing due to never-ending immigration from the Philippines to Guam, USA. It is only a matter of time until Filipinos become the largest ethnic group on Guam. It will happen soon for sure. FILIPINOS ARE THE FUTURE OF GUAM!

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Chris
Feb 17, 2015 at 5:59 pm
Filipinos are the future of Guam please, dream on its like everywhere I go filipinos don’t believe me that I’m not filipino and i’m native from Guam, not every one in this world who looks filipino is, such an ignorant statement go twll that to the native Chamoru families who live & Guam and get laughed at!
And the fact that not many mainlanders are educated about Guam doesn’t surprise me, just like you, the re are many idiots who unfortunately exist…I find many people don’t know much or care to know about Guam’s diverse history, they just want to be able to migrate there, or use our sacred islands as a stepping stone to their material and economic satisfaction and nothing more, no respect, or knowledge.

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Joe Santos
Jun 22, 2015 at 4:30 am
I hate to say it, but it’s just a fact that Filipino will surpass Chamorros on Guam. This is based off of statistics. From the census, Guam is 37% Chamorro, 26% Filipino. Yeah, it seems like Chamorros are winning, but look next to Guam- the Philippines has over 100 MILLION people. They all want to come to Guam. Chamorros worldwide population is less than 200,000, and that’s all over the world. 200,000 vs 100,000,000. There is no hope for our people. Filipinos have already surpassed the Chamorro population in the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam is next. Oh, and for centuries and centuries, Filipinos in Guam have been passing themselves off as Chamorros, so a lot of the Chamorro population is already heavily Filipino. Thank god only a little of my bloodline is Filipino, not much.

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dat
Nov 29, 2013 at 1:17 am
This article was a insightful & informative. Thank you so much for sharing so much of yourself, educating all of us of some of the deep, long lasting, life altering impacts of colonization & oppression, while still maintaining a beautifully inspiring orientation towards liberation.

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Chris
Nov 29, 2013 at 5:30 am
I second this comment!! I like how he engaged the audience, threw in some hard to swallow details, gets us all riled up, and then tries to persuade us to stop our destructive habits and harmful ways…. and finally prompts us to make some good in the world.

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Chris
Nov 29, 2013 at 5:13 am
Wow, you certainly have dredged up the ugly, dark secrets of the US in Guam. You are correct in citing the many injustices but as we can all see, the average American hates hearing of these problems in any way, shape, or form. America is a land riddled with corruption, racism, crime, and injustice….ask any African American or Navajo of injustices their peoples have suffered from and if they still suffer today as a whole. As you can see, the US is still battling with issues in its very soul.
I can’t believe the ignorance and misunderstanding taken when someone speaks of problems or issues related to the US. Just about everyone goes beserk trying to justify or rationalize wrongdoings as the lesser of two evils. Suck it up and man up to our imperfect America!
To speak about it is American. To discuss it is American. To spread awareness is American. To deny it and accept the status quo of injustices is UN-AMERICAN.

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Me
Nov 29, 2013 at 7:18 am
On a positive note, Guam is a beautiful place. When I moved back to the states, I didn’t want to give up my Guam drivers license, I loved living there so I can imagine locals wanting to keep that piece of them from back home.

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Ed Roberto
Nov 29, 2013 at 7:26 am
Dåko’ta Alcantara-Camacho, grow up and stop writing non sequitur drivel. Get a Washington State drivers license. That will solve your problem getting onto the dance floor.

As a locally born and raised Chamorro, I have seen the concrete benefits of being a US Territory. Five decades to be precise have brought continued improvement to telecom infrastructure, power, water, education, and the list goes on. The military has to be based somewhere, and Guam makes sense, especially from a geographic standpoint. There will be problems, there will be injustices, that’s life. The challenge is how to minimize the damage.

I take issue with your whining from a distance, and your need for some kind of apology and reparation. Shit happens, WWII is over, move on.

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Micronesian in Solidarity with Chamorro people (the real kind)
Nov 30, 2013 at 2:23 am
Ed, so you are saying that as a Chamorro yourself, you have nothing against and have never had bad thoughts towards any Chuukese on Guam? And if one went onto your yard and decides to pick your wife’s orchids without your permission and ends up killing them that you’d be okay with it with a smile saying; well, shit happens?

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wut
Dec 2, 2013 at 8:46 am
Wut. That is a terrible rebuttal.

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John Cruz
Nov 29, 2013 at 9:37 am
Yes America abandoned Guam. What did the Chamorro people do with the radio man that was left behind? Ah, they fed him and kept him hidden in a cave. Kept him safe. During the war my father was born in a concentration camp and many of our relatives were murdered. During the war, Chamorro people hid downed aircrew members. This was punishable by death. When they found out the radioman had been hid, there was a penalty for those folks to pay as well. White America has always demed indiginous people as too ignorant to take care of themselves. Ask the American Indian whose language was also pretty much destroyed as well as their culture which is still under attack today. They always want to kill your culture and make you submissive. Guam has always supported America. My father is a vet, I am a vet, and my son is a vet. I am half chamorro and my son 1/4. I consider Chamorros from Guam native Americans. I believe they deserve respect. I read the comment that we should be so willing to expand the military’s use for American strength. How much more do they need? TYe impact on the island will be a lot. Ask yourself this. Do you want your hometown built up, destroyed by strengthening the military which we have supported for decades? Your grandparents dug up? Your home being totally changed ,. historic sites ruined?
Yes chelu, get a state ID. The main reason is that it is easier for the bouncer to recognize fake ID’s that are from their state. Out of state ID’s that are fake are harder for them to spot. A lot less liability for the club. In Fl it is a requiremnt as well. I am from the states. Born and raised. Half Chamorro and half white so I see things from both perspectives. I want a strong military as well. I feel by moving so much to the west coast, hawaii and Guam, they become bigger targets and it lessens the impact of attack on the mainland. Just my thoughts.
No matter what your skin color, or herritage, someone is going to make you feel less.

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Rebel_soul
Nov 29, 2013 at 9:44 am
It is good to see that you have knowledge of self brother, most of the young people do not care about our island’s history.

The thing about all of this is, if Guam wasn’t a strategic military outpost in the Pacific for the U.S., the U.S. Would not give a damn about the island or our people. Straight up & down, period, no comma.

The U.S Govt only has “interests” not friends.

I have lived on the mainland since I was a year old & I take full advantage of everything useful to me that U.S. Citizenship has to offer AT THE SAME TIME I have no illusions about how the U.S. Govt truly views our land & our people, for that reason I would never join the military or actively participate in the proliferation or implementation of the very sinister U.S. Foreign policy which only serves the interests of the very wealthy/corporations & NOT the people.

Before some ignorant puppet says that I should “love it or leave it”, I would argue that this (U.S. Mainland) is stolen land anyway & I have about the same right as they do to occupy the land of the native Americans as they do. My family had land stolen by the U.S. Govt. Some of which has recently been returned to us. My grandfather & father were both Vietnam & Korean way era veterans that died due to service related illnesses from being exposed to chemical weapons.

Before you tell me to love it or leave it, be armed with self knowledge & a knowledge of the TRUE history of the U.S..

My family PERSONALLY paid in land & blood for every so-called benefit I enjoy with my U.S. Citizenship.

Now we get to the kicker. Since I am keeping it 100% real. I do not believe that our island could service without being colonized in this day & age by a stronger country. That being said, is the U.S. The lesser of all of the evils in the world? In my opinion it is not & our land & people may flourish under another benefactor, that is a conversation for another day.

Peace che’lu stay up.

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Bill
Nov 29, 2013 at 10:02 am
less that 1/2% of 1% is an actual Chammoro. The ones today that think they are, should go ask their Filipino/Japanese/Korean/White parents and grandparents how to be Chamorro. Nowadays, the Chuuks are even watering down the little bit of Chammoro that is left.

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Chris
Feb 17, 2015 at 6:26 pm
Nice to know how u feel about an indigenous culture who has flourished b.c. shows the tru ignorance and hate you have for My Islands

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Terence
Nov 29, 2013 at 9:14 pm
In God we trust. In the name of the Red, the White, and the Blue. Amen.

Hope you get my parody.

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Tamuning
Nov 29, 2013 at 10:37 pm
If you are so frustrated why don’t you just get a Washington I.D. and stop abusing your I.D. to be Tax exempt. That I.D. card looks really cheaply made…who wouldn’t think it’s fake?

Don’t be so angry that not everyone knows about Guam and the rest of the Pacific Islands because I highly doubt that you know every county, district or city in the United States.

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kinchee cabana
Nov 29, 2013 at 11:08 pm
C’mon Man…..Can we just forget about this crap and move on with ur lives.Just Suck it up and think of our Good Health,our childrens, and the Global Warming that is destroying our Planet.Thatfricken ID Card is less important of a subject to worry about.Let’s start praying for our own sake and hope that our Planet Earth will be here for another billion years.Peace on Earth.

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dat
Nov 29, 2013 at 11:37 pm
thank you for this illuminating article, so helpful and smart! I really appreciated the depth of your sharing, your willingness to tell the sad horrifying historical details (all the books-burned-GAWD!) and your hopefulness. keep up the good work!

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One Voice
Nov 30, 2013 at 12:29 am
Well, this article sure educated a lot of people in different ways, some not so much. This article escalated in ways that probably wasn’t even thought of by the author. My side of this article is to save the island. Why must we destroy historical grounds? Why must we destroy at all? Shouldn’t we preserve what is left of our history? Yes we are a territory and we all see the injustices around the world. Not just by the U.S, targeting them as the main, ” Horror” is a bit too far. Yes they have made mistakes in the past and yes they are still making mistakes now. We will not have a verdict unless all of us, Americans, Chamorros and all cultures fight for what we believe in. Nothing will ever get done if someone doesn’t speak up or act on what they want to fight for. Da’kota keep fighting brother.

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Tony
Nov 30, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Get a Washington state I.D./Driver’s License and the problem is solved. When I move to a new state I get a new I.D.. It’s not hard and it’s not ‘insulting’ to where I moved from.

You get little sympathy from me. There are so many problems in this world involving death and destruction, that you getting hassled repeatedly over an ID that you choose to use is a non-issue.

When did you live in Guam? I know someone who lived there until he was 18 and then moved to the continental United States. It has been ~14 years since he moved and in the ~8 years that I’ve known him I have not seen him once pull out a Guam ID card.

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Nicole
Dec 1, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Well, it doesn’t help when you initially speak to the bouncer in a non-English language and expect him to believe you’re an American citizen when you give him an ID that is not from a U.S state. Just saying.
As for injustice, there was none.

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Wanna671
Dec 1, 2013 at 10:31 pm
didn’t the bouncer ask for a valid state ID?
Washington State Law requires a valid state ID ?
that ID doesnt look like a valid state ID?
no offense but that kinda makes you or us, look bad if you cant comprehend the request 😦

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Wanna671
Dec 1, 2013 at 10:32 pm
nm im blind:)

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R. Taitano
Dec 2, 2013 at 10:01 pm
I understand the main complaint of the writer, the ignorance . Some here mentioned it’s due to the young age of the bouncers. On the contrary there are a lot of older Statesiders that are pretty dumb too.

Then there are those siding with the aurgument of “get valid state ID”, well what about some one from Washington DC ? Or are they a State now and I didn’t get a little yellow sticky note about that change ?

So the writer went on a rant there after don’t we all .

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C.Taitingfong
Dec 3, 2013 at 5:03 am
Why didn’t you just pull a valid ID or your passport and eliminate all the fuss? Do you really think that the bouncer, who probably does not know where Guam is, just like most people, may not know that the Guam license is a valid ID?? It is only your assumption that everyone should know about Guam and how important we are and what we went through. It is ridiculous to me that you even had the guts to present a history of what we (Chamorros) already know but I am glad to see that you know. But really? You could have saved yourself some anguish by just pulling out a common ID that most people are carrying in the state of Washington especially when you have been to the club several times before. To
If you really care about our culture and its future why don’t you come back and fight alongside other Chamorros for jobs, for our houses and land. Instead of being on the sidelines while the foreigner’s slowly overcome the island. I am disheartened that some Chamorros feel like that and it gets us nowhere in the long run. I hope this makes sense to you and that you pre-think your decision to make a scene to people who don’t even care. Our culture is strong and as long as we believe in that we can make a difference together!

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K
Dec 5, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Some good points. Worked with historians and I myself as historian. First the facts are you getting carded at the door/bar. This issue of the bouncers are not understanding what you know. You did well in educating them.
Second: The law for washington needs to be learned by establishments.
Third: Historically on Guam we are in still distress, because our culture is changing it incorporates other cultures but it keeps the learned indigenous routines that make Chamorro (Chamoru) me (I, you). The manamko (elders) will place sayings to remind us of habits, routines, of culture. Dr.Auntie Benit Dungca, learn to speak chamorro, etc…or don’t speak it. She was saying is to instill yourself/emerge into the language.
Phrases / Comments/ Sayings are cultural. Becuase Our Chamorro society was based on passing culture through speaking and examples.

Fourth: The distress on the culture – are not limited to economic stress but inculturation of accepting a different life style. To become what is advertised by others.
My Pare’ Peter Robert O. will exemplify his chamorro ancestory by writings and plays. Each of us, where ever we shall be will yearn for our Chamorro Ancestory in all forms (writing, culture, art, linguistics, et al.)

You will need to educate the outside world of the law (interpretation), and/or your lineage.

These are just reflections from me, and not meant to be tangible realities. You as the reader take ownership to acceptance.

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Jay
Dec 6, 2013 at 2:19 am
The main reason that a Guam ID is not recognized by most of the states and a sign of US citizenship is because in Guam almost anyone can get the ID. People from surrounding islands and countries that are not US citizens were able to get a Guam ID. To fix your so called discrimination GOV Guam needs to create two types of IDs. One for people that are US citizens that have a social security card. Another for all other personnel that can not produce a social security card. Your so called discrimination is nothing more than a security matter.

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james Garrido
Dec 9, 2013 at 5:10 am
Here is a little history about our Island of Guam, some 400 hundred years ago we were invaded by Spanish sailers who sailed to this side of the world, Guahan was a Peaceful Island populated with over 100,000 indigenous Chamorru’s, we welcomed the spaniards and there ways of life and what they brought to our Island,but during the course of the Spanish rule our men were slaughtered and our women were rape and integrated , they started teaching the ways of the Spanish costume and the spanish way of life,for hundreds of years the Spaniards had brought Christianity to the natives of which they referred to the Chamorru’s, and killing innocent women and children,for 400 years we were oppressed by the Spaniards until one day during the Spanish American War Guam was taken by the United States in 1889, Guam became ruled by the U.S. as unincorporated Territory of the U.S. until the beginning of the 2nd WW, prior to this day the U.S. new that war was imminent, so they U.S. send their wives and family back to the U.S. mainland.The war in Guam started on Dec. 08, 1941 the same day Pearl Harbor Hawaii was bomb. Guam and the rest of the Mariana’s Island were occupied by the Japanese Imperial Army, for 3 and a half years Guam was ruled again by a foreign country, until July 21, 1944 when Guam was liberated by the Americans, after the war Guam being a strategic location prime lands were taken in Guam, which in modern day , you will find Andersen Air Force Base, NCS,Naval communication, NAS, Naval Air Station, Naval Hospital, Naval Magazine, and Naval Station , land which was taken away from original land owners,land that was never compensated to the original owners.Note that the Philippines were renting Subic Naval Base and Clark Air Force Base, for millions of dollars, Guam on the other hand there were no compensation, Guam being one of 4 Unincorporated Territories of the U.S. American Samoa, Virgin Islands , Puerto Rico, and now CNMI, which at the time was not a Territory of the U.S. Guam was the only Island that was occupied by foreign enemy. To top it off Guam is the only Island that was not Compensated for all the atrocities that it was done to the people of the Island.Our Man’anko’s the elderly are dying everyday and nothing has been done. The Chamorru’s of Guam had fought every war the U.S. have fought since the first WW to the present, during the Vietnam era Guam and the war in the Middle East have the highest death per Capita. The Chamorru’s have proven there loyalty and had made the ultimate Sacrifices, and the saddest part we as U.S. citizens can’t even vote for President of the U.S. We have a house of Representative who sits in congress and can’t even vote in the house, where is the justice in this ? We are proud citizens of the U.S. but all we ask is to be given the same right and privilege as any other American who calls them selves an American. Ty and may all those who speak about who we are as a People, let it be known that we are an Island in the Pacific Thousands of miles from the mainland USA, but we were never given the same RIGHTS as American.

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Nicholas
Jan 23, 2016 at 4:22 pm
you will get your ability to vote in american politics when your country votes to become a part of it, just like EVERY OTHER unincorporated territory. Just like Puerto Rico, Samoa, and the Virgin Islands, Guam representatives have consistently voted to maintain the status quo instead of becoming a legitimate state. “WHY?!” you might ask. Well, it might have a lot to do with free welfare and other government programs that make it possible to live in a place where there are almost no jobs.
You complain you haven’t been given the same rights. Well, talk to your political representatives. Start a grass roots campaign to become a US state. BUT, until that day, you’re just whining.

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ConsiderAllSidesMyFriend
Dec 10, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Agree with you about the reparations. But bro, “luckily, the Japanese interned the Chamorro people in camps?” Do you know how brutally the Chamorro people were treated under the Japanese? I am part Chamorro and Japanese, and I’m not ashamed to say that I think US involvement was the better sides of two coins. A lot of money and buildup has resulted on Guam due to its being a protectorate of the United States. Yes, I said protectorate. Because its geographical location places Guam in a very precarious situation amongst much much bigger players on this earth. You sound like your an earthly cool person, but lack common sense. If it wasn’t the US, it woulda been someone else. And I’m sure more autonomy will come, only because it is the US we are involved with. Guam is a precious place that needs to be preserved and protected, but in today’s world I think we got it a lot better than other places (i.e. the islands RIGHT next to us under the CNMI who do not get US benefits and are STRUGGLING way more than we Guamanians are). So take it with a grain of salt. The only way to peace is not by fanning the flames

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ConsiderAllSidesMyFriend
Dec 10, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Bro, I just can’t get over the fact that you said “Luckily, the Japanese interned the Chamorros in internment camps”. Please read up on your history before you make big statements like this

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Me
Dec 27, 2013 at 9:23 am
I lived on Guam for 5 years. Voluntarily I might add and loved every day of it. I love the hospitality of the locals everytime I walked down the beach. Fiestas, food, music. It was wonderful.Everyone was so welcoming and friendly. But you know what I got more often than not? “Thank you!” Thank you? For what? “For your service, of course. If it wasn’t for y’all we’d be speaking Japanese right now!” The only time we ever heard anything negative is when some would protest outside either of the bases.

I totally understand the upset with the ” military buildup”. That was ’09. It’s 2014…how much has really been built up? I’ll tell ya what. Nothing that wasn’t already part of the base. Yup. You keep saying “our people” and “Chamorro” but how many here commenting are actually over the age of 65? How many of you are actually 100% Chamorro and have felt the oppression of your people? Not many, I’m sure. Your opinions are based off your elders and not what you have experienced first hand. Yes some mainlanders are uneducated. Even my own family didn’t know of Guam before I moved there. I did. That’s why I wanted to go. Don’t let a few bad eggs ruin it for the rest who appreciate the island.

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Dione
Feb 26, 2015 at 7:30 am
How can you call Americans who don’t know about “Guam” bad eggs?? That’s ignorant and just stupid. I can name a hundred US cities who have more people than Guam has, and I’m positive you won’t know the history of each one… I guess you’re just a “BAD EGG”…. Gssshhhh, SFIP!

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Machalek Sindalu
Dec 29, 2013 at 2:40 pm
let’s face it. colonization has changed everything. it has done its work well. we changed the way we saw ourselves. we stopped caring about the things that really matter. this is why we fight among ourselves defending and condemning our different colonizers past and present. this is why we “trash” the very islands and ocean we come from. this is why there is rape and violence in our communities. we believe we must play their game. we believe we have to experience education, governance, commerce and social exchange in the same manner as our colonizers. we even believe their cultural myths and spiritual beliefs over our own. the attitude of many has been that our culture either doesn’t/didn’t exist or is entirely outmoded …www.rayis.me

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Mom of boy with rare disorder shares photo of astronomical hospital bill

The mother of a young boy with a rare disorder is speaking out about the Senate Republicans’ proposed health care bill, which would give states the ability to reinstate a lifetime "insurance cap" — an act that would devastate her family.

Alison Chandra’s 2-year-old son, Ethan, was born with a rare condition called heterotaxy syndrome.

According to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, the beginning of the word (hetero-) means "different" and the end (–taxy) means "arrangement."

Quite literally, heterotaxy syndrome results in one’s organs growing in a different arrangement than they are supposed to.

In Ethan’s particular case, his heart is badly malformed, he has two left lungs and around five spleens, his stomach is located on the right side of his body instead of the left, and his liver, gallbladder and heart are all aligned down the center of his torso.

On Friday, Chandra took to Twitter to explain why the Better Care Reconciliation Act would be a death sentence for Ethan — and her series of tweets has since gone viral.

"It seems fitting that, with the #TrumpCare debate raging, I got this bill in the mail today from Ethan’s most recent open heart surgery," she wrote alongside a photo of an astronomical bill.

Chandra calculated that she would have had to pay $231,115 out of pocket for her son’s surgery without help from insurance, a bill impossible to foot by the average American.

And that was just for one procedure. As Chandra points out, patients like her son often need countless operations and prescriptions to keep them alive.

"He’s had four of these surgeries, some more involved than others. The one before this had him in the CICU for three weeks," Chandra wrote. "We’re hopeful that going forwards he’ll need fewer and smaller surgeries, but this was not the last time they’ll open his chest."

The former nurse, who had to stop working after her sick son was born in order to take care of him, continued on to say that without the help of insurance, her family could ultimately be faced with an impossible decision — bankruptcy or their son’s life.

"If this bill is passed, it will depend on how NJ government reacts in terms of safeguarding families like ours," Chandra told BuzzFeed News in an interview. "Worst case scenario, Ethan will lose coverage or his coverage will become unaffordable (which is the same thing)."

Chandra says her family’s ultimate fallback plan is to move to Canada to seek care for her son, since her husband is a Canadian citizen.

But even then, Ethan would have to leave his long-time physicians who have a deep understanding of the way his particular case of heterotaxy syndrome needs to be treated.

Chandra also argued that the health care bill could mean death for people in similar situations that have no such backup plan.

"A lifetime cap on benefits is the same as saying, ‘Sorry, you’re not worth keeping alive anymore. You’re just too expensive,’" she wrote.

"Tell that to the boy who just tucked a sick firefly into bed with a leaf blanket and told me to keep the light on so he wouldn’t be scared."

"Tell that to the boy who picks me bouquets of sticks instead of flowers because he loves them better so he’s sure I will too."

"Look my son in the eyes and tell him that he’s fought so hard to be here but sorry, you’re just not worth it anymore," she ender her emotional plea. "I dare you."

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A 20-Pound Lobster Impresses Airport Security, but It’s No Record Breaker
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